Obama is trying to destroy the United States

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by Merc, Jul 11, 2010.

  1. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    Something that continues to just . . blow my mind is the startling number of people who are thoroughly convinced that Obama's "mission" is to destroy the United States. I mean, where can you even begin to think that's even within the realm of sane thinking? So because he doesn't share your views and ideas for the country, he's automatically trying to destroy the US? I wonder how many people think Obama and see this:

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    Now, George Bush got a lot of hatred too and a lot of these ridiculous photoshopped attacks but you never heard popular opinion claiming Bush to be "the antichrist" or planning to destroy the US. Most of the criticisms at him were shots at his intelligence or complete disregard for the security and rights of Americans (don't even try to refute this, did you forget the Patriot Act already?) however there's a legitimate amount of people thoroughly convinced this guy is some sort of demon sent from hell's colon to bring about the apocalypse.

    So I guess my question is, why are people so goddamn infuriated by this guy to the point that they go overboard in their fantasies and nightmares about him? I don't like him so far but I'm not one of these loonies creating doomsday scenarios in my head of what creative way he's going to fuck us over next week. I guess I'm half ranting here but the next time I hear some single celled organism stating how the world is going to end or that Obama is some evil mastermind planning the downfall of a country that is too busy fucking itself already, I'm going to snap.

    Stop making me like this guy out of pity.,=
     
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  2. fractal

    fractal Eye see what you did ther

    How do you know people don't like him? Sorry I'm not from the US, so I don't know much, but the media portrays him favourably.
     
  3. idisrsly

    idisrsly I'm serious V.I.P. Lifetime

    Is it really that serious? I'm really surprised by this. I remember the run up to the elections a few years ago and from what was broadcast in SA, the people of America were all over the idea of Obama being the saviour. So yes, he did not live up to all the promises he made, but then show me a president who actually delivered on every single promise made in his campaign.

    I know I should not be laughing at this, but calling Obama the anti-Christ is just ridiculous. It is laughable. That is giving him far more credit than he is deserving of, not to mention the insult to the anti-Christ to come.

    Question : Do you think if Obama did some things differently, people would be more tolerant of him? Did he ever stand a chance to please the people? Was he ever really going to be loved/adored/respected by a nation?
     
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  4. CaptainObvious

    CaptainObvious Son of Liberty V.I.P.

    I do believe Obama is attempting to fundamentally change the US and how we do things. That doesn't make him a bad person, I believe he's done and trying to do the things he does because he honestly feels it is the direction the country should go in. I disagree with him in many respects but I do not doubt the sincerity in his heart.

    That being said yes I think if he did things differently there would not be as much criticism but there still would be some who do not like him no matter what. But that's pretty much true about any president.

    But we're using the word people and how they feel much too broadly. There certainly are groups who agree with he has done and appreciate his efforts and those who will approve of what he does no matter what.
     
  5. Tucker

    Tucker Lion Rampant

    Knee-jerk reactionaries have never been in short supply. Take a look at the body of early American political cartoons and you'll see just how little things have actually changed. It's simple mechanics; the farther from center a President is perceived to be, the more ire he'll receive from the distant wing.

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  6. Gavik

    Gavik Registered Member

    Well he's doing a pretty shitty job of fundamentally changing things. Health care reform was written by the insurance companies, the wars have been escallated and expanded (into Pakistan and everywhere in the world), gays can't serve openly, Gitmo isn't closed and the bank bailouts just put more money in bankers pockets while not helping the economy. Sounds like the status quo to me.
     
  7. SmilinSilhouette

    SmilinSilhouette Registered Member

    I can't speak for others, but for me it is his total disregard and distain for the Constitution that he swore to uphold.

    :lol: I don't know about that, see Tuck's post. Also, I really wonder how many really think he's the anti-christ. I bet it is just more of an insult than a belief.

    Going overboard is just what many feel the most radical president in American history is currently doing.

    Cons and pity, :lol:
     
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  8. Gavik

    Gavik Registered Member

    Implying that any elected official had any regard for it.
     
  9. Wade8813

    Wade8813 Registered Member

    I would guess that most people who are so opposed to Obama think that he's on a misguided mission, and the effect of that mission will be to destroy the US. It's not necessarily that he's malicious - just ignorant (which is common on both sides. If you vehemently oppose someone's positions, you either think they're malicious or you think they're ignorant (or both)).

    I really haven't heard the anti-christ thing being mentioned seriously, but then again I might not be listening to the right people :dunno:. But I'd imagine that the people who would use that label would be more likely to be the religious right; they wouldn't call Bush that, because they agreed with him.

    I heard people say Bush was destroying the US all the time.
     
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  10. Sim

    Sim Registered Member

    Here a few numbers, for that we know the numbers of people believing insane BS is really huge:

    Opinion: Scary new GOP poll - Yahoo! News

    Opinions like these are so obviously insane you'd expect only wingnuts can possible take them seriously (and I don't think the number of insane Bush haters was remotely as large) -- but thanks to a massive right-wing media machine, these insane hysterics have entered the mainstream.

    We are simply dealing with between 20% and 30% of the population at minimum that's completely disconnected from reality, believes in hysteric hyperbole and is trapped in a right-wing echo chamber that has created an alternate reality.


    Add to that that a large percentage of Americans apparently doesn't have the slightest clue what socialism actually is (the claim that Obama is a socialist is about as sane and justified as claiming Bush is a Nazi). Look, folks, people went on the streets in eastern Europe in 1989 to battle a socialist dictatorship and to end it -- to fight for freedom of speech, free elections, habeas corpus and a fair, independent legal system. They did *not* go on the streets because their taxes were raised, or because of a public health care system (in fact, most of those who opposed socialist dictatorship were strongly in favor of public health care, and believe that was actually one of the few good things in socialism). They went on the streets because they wanted to say what they want, to vote for whom they want, and to be protected from the government kidnapping them from the streets and torturing, while denying them a fair trial.

    On the other side, the very same people who don't know that public health care does not make socialism, much like a fresh wind in summer does not make a winter, didn't have the slightest problem when Bush ordered the Patriot Act and thus the use of torture and skipping the Geneva convention, when Bush ordered a violation of the most basic legal standard that suspects must be considered innocent until their guilt was proven by a fair, independent trial. Also, these people didn't care when Ashcroft proposed the "Operation TIPS" that would have created 10 times as many agents snitching on their neighbors as existed in communist East Germany. They didn't care at all. Yet they think raising taxes means tyranny.

    Courageous eastern Europeans, also East Germans, went on the streets in 1989 to protest against socialist dictatorship, just because this dictatorship did that exactly: Detaining people without a fair trial, using torture against suspects, violating legal standards, using a system of snitches to spy on the people. And they won: Socialist dictatorship failed and fair elections were called.

    When I visited a former East German Stasi prison (the secret police hiring snitches and extralegally detaining and torturing suspects), which now is a museum where former prisoners are giving a tour, one of these former prisoners (who showed the visitors little cells where waterboarding and other kinds of torture were employed) expressed his regret that maybe, his fight and the fight of his fellow victims of communist dictatorship for freedom and law may have been in vein, because today, the USA are doing the very same.

    Really, folks, you simply don't have a clue what you are talking about. Public health care or raising taxes is not "socialism" and it definitely is not dictatorship. You apparently don't even know how lucky you are, because you have free elections and a legal system that at least usually protects your rights (at least as you are not some brown sandnigger, a bearded member of a suspicious religion or simply with the wrong name at the wrong place). Obama is not even dreaming in his wildest nights about skipping fair elections, abolishing independent courts or cancelling the human rights defined in the Constitution.

    There is a difference between socialist dictatorship à la East Bloc, democratic socialism or even social democracy. Most free countries, the only exception being the US, have rather encompassing social welfare nets and thus a high amount of welfare redistribution -- but they all respect freedom of speech and media, the independence of courts, the basic right on fair trials, they don't use torture and they all have free elections. That's why they are free, although they have public health care and social programs.

    Socialist or communist dictatorships, on the other hand, are/were not bad because they had public health care. They were evil because there were no free elections, no free media, no respect for legal standards, no independent courts, snitches spying on their neighbors, and use of torture on suspects that had not been convicted of any crime. THAT'S why they were evil. That's why the people stood up in 1989 to topple these dictatorships -- yet most of these brave freedom fighters voted in favor of strong welfare nets and redistribution, once they had achieved their freedom.

    So I guess a major problem is that Americans simply don't know what tyranny is. That would concern the 50%+ who claim "Obama is a socialist".

    (On the 20%+ who believe Obama may be the anti-Christ, I don't know how even to comment in the first place ... they are from an entirely different planet I don't even begin to understand.)
     
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